In a discussion with historian Vijay Prashad, Redi Tlhabi examines NATO’s current significance amid recent global challenges, including US President Donald Trump’s skepticism about the alliance’s role. NATO has faced critical setbacks, such as its failure to deter Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the conclusion of a 20-year war in Afghanistan that reinstated the Taliban. The conversation raises important questions about NATO’s relevance in contemporary conflicts and its preparedness for potential confrontations with China.